Tension between collective and individual domains

 I am putting this post up from a previous post on natural gas fracking and how our current social systems have a fundamental misunderstanding of collective and individual domains. Past Post From this past post in which Schalk played the devils advocate and projected an orientation I did not have and he wanted a more explicit expression of a social system that I have envisioned. Even though I gave links to it, it seems that what works better is to express all of it on the post for consideration without using hyperlinks. Which is difficult on forums due to space and time attention issues. And I have a revulsion to long dissertations, since if a insight is more significant it is also simpler and thus more integrative. Over linguistic expression to me has never been a sign that someone understands the topic but a sign that they are using their analytic intelligence to make up for a lack of deeper understanding or embodiment. So all in all I have a more assertive bent, than a contextual one. With all the problems with making assertions. Understanding the relationship between simplicity and complexity. One allows for the other. The simpler the core the more diverse and complex is the surface can be. And I like to get to the core of it. So I apologize for this crude and rudimentary expression.

The main problem this post focuses on is the tension between an individual and collective systems in society. And how to keep individual rights that are intrinsic(UL) in an extrinsic system that is collective(LR). The conventional view of the social systems in the US, is that we live in a  representative democracy. A representative democracy is the manner in which the People( A collective of individuals in a territory(Nation, state, county land boundary) are able to vote for a representative to be the voice of the People. The concept of People is rooted in a collective of individuals. And does this collective "People" signify an individual appropriately, such that an individuals intrinsic rights are not diminished by a collective? In a representative democracy? No. It is majority wins, which undermines an individual rights( The greatest minority). Even more so for oligarchs( Monarchs, dictators, communism, fascism etc) in that the executive has the right to undermine an individuals intrinsic rights  even more compared to a mob rule. A Republic is a form of government in which the government  does not get its rights from the consent of the governed( People voting) but from the written law. But there has only been Representative Republics and Representative Democracy. The constitution was made to create a Representative Republic, and not a Representative Democracy. Democracy is never mentioned in the constitution and the founding fathers new the dangers in democracy and tried to create a republic to protect individual intrinsic rights. Government has secondary extrinsic rights, not primary intrinsic rights. The idea is that the government got the rights from the "Consent" of the People( Representation) and the government is to follow the written constitution. But is the concept of People(collective of individuals) able to insure that intrinsic individual rights are not reduced. To confuse the UR with the LR is what the concept of PEOPLE is based on and is the foundation of Representative Democracy and Republics. How can to a process in which intrinsic rights of the individual can be protected(Written law) without compromise in a Representative government. It can't.  When the Constitution was made they lacked the means to be able to get the consent of the governed without using representatives. Written in the constitution is the process to change the written law. If the constitution is to be changed then it needs to be changed by an amendment that is voted on, but this is again in a  mob rule system, that undermines individual rights. And what is to stop representatives from making laws that change the constitution? Nothing because the process is not transparent. Individuals live there life outside of the political sphere other than when they vote for a representative. 

 But in a information age this issue can be solved. One that makes the process transparent and direct. 

The other issue that needs to be addressed is the monetary system.  In the Republic Constitution it was written that Gold and Silver is legal tender and that the governments job was just minting and thats all. This is a pure free market system but with the issue of tying value to a tangible asset. Gold and silver being a tangible asset leaves the possibility of it being hoarded by a few and thus controlled by a few who own a bank. Leaving liquidity to be scarce and diminishing economic activity. A deflationary depression. Which is what the Wizard of OZ was all about because silver(not the red shoes, but silver ones in the original story)  was not accepted as payment by the private bankers once they had most of the gold. This is because silver was very abundant, and could not be completely hoarded by the bankers. So the bankers just refused it as payment to them. So it was gold that was the main payment for loans from the banks. A tension between a few elite individuals and the rest. The basic history is here (Money as Debt) . Paper bank crdit was used as a better medium of exchange than carrying heavy gold and silver, and hard to conceal. And banks were supposed to have the assets in gold to back the paper. But then banks started to lend out loans of credit more than they had as assets and charged interest. And then there were issues of runs on the banks. So the reasoning was to create a central bank that could back private banks in a run. The law was changed that legalized fractional reserve banking that allowed a 9:1 ratio between bank credit and gold. And after some time the dollar was made legal tender and not the gold. The birth of fiat money by decree. All without a amendment , but done hidden from the public,( not transparent). This increase in liquidity allowed industrial economies to grow, all based on money created from nothing but debt( which is also not really an asset, just a promise to pay in the future). But having a single monetary unit as legal tender gave it security. From free market principles in gold and silver( Austrian economics) it changed into a central bank controlled monetary system of velocity, volume of debt credit( Keynesian economics). Where there is more debt than money to fill the debt because of interest. A created scarcity. That grows forever. Thus the current world economic problems where the banks have a 30:1 ratio to debt assets and if you include the derivatives market it is 100:1. A situation where it becomes impossible to sustain, and inevitable collapse. Which we have not gotten to, just creating more debt to solve a debt problem, putting the problem into the future to keep the current dynamic going. 

Both tangible money and fiat money are unable to be sustainable. So what is the next money system to emerge and form of government that does not over time turn into fascism of a few elite individuals economically and then through democracy turning into a corporatocracy? Which is what we have now. 

From modern to postmodern, from industrial to informational. We have been centered in modern and the next transition will need to be centered in postmodern. So government and money will need to be pluralistic. How would this work. With a very general integral framework that does not exclude traditional, modern, and postmodern forms of value and also that does not absolutize one of the quadrants. 

A triple solution, of libertarian(private sphere) , socialism(public sphere), and informational value systems(Noosphere software). Mimics the balance of Core, Heart, and Head/ Judicial, Legislative and executive branches/ It, WE and I etc.

A individual has intrinsic primary rights of freedom. In the libertarian system,(Which is not really a system but a code of law) the only constraints are protection of person(No harm to others), property rights( yours , and No harm to land,air and water(with corporate charters ( Necessary evils)). Individual contracts are upheld. No Fraud. Any agreed upon medium of exchange. Real simple.

The socialistic system has federal, state and local levels. The federal level has a credit system that gives a base credit to every individual who associates with it. The accounting is maintained at a federal level( No private banks). The Federal governments job is to maintain the accounting, National Defense, and the Noosphere federal holon level software. States can issue their own credit, and are in charge of infrastructure and corporate charters, and their  Noosphere state holon level software And local governments are in charge of healthcare, and community housing and land. 

The informational value system ( Im calling it Noosoft) is a system that is just like Holocracy One where an individual gets to have transparency of the socialistic system and can be a part of the dialog and can input into the legislation process in a weighted algorithm on each bill as it goes through legislation at a federal, state and local level. There can be representation( leaders) that facilitate expressing issues and dialog with the constituents. The weighted algorithm is in place of voting just yes and no, maybe 0-10 and more weight given to representatives(leaders) at different levels of governance. And since it is all transparent leaders can be changed on the fly. And any individual can become a leader at different levels and lines. So think IOS made into a software tool for governance, this is what holocracy one is. The Noosoft will inter relate with the social credit system such that you have personal credit expenditure limits placed on what the general collective value your service or product get from the Noosoft system and on direct value customers that receive your product or service give. So both a general and direct for federal, state and local credit. An example of how this would work is let say your a teacher, the general collective value would be high, giving you a high personal credit limit but you might not make enough to meet it. Let say you are a drug dealer( Drugs are not regulated, libertarian society) you would have a low general collective value and your personal credit limit would be low but maybe your credit income is high. The drug dealer would have extra credit he can not use personally. He can give it to anyone or group. 

In this triple system, an individual has the full freedom to associate( you do not inherit a federal government, you can opt out). Meaning there is no land based(Where you live and are) federal government. There is one federal government for the social system that makes sure judicially that individuals do not harm others body, and property including air and water. Thats it for individuals relating to the federal from the libertarian system on it own. They still might be under a forced government based on where you are physically at the state and local level. MONEY is completely pluralistic. Money can be what ever two people or groups agree to. Contract law is upheld, with fraud protection. 

If someone is not working in a capacity enough to have a modern living, then they could if they want associate with the socialistic system and get base credit for survival. 

If a company receives or pays employee's in federal, state, or local credit then they are associated in the socialistic system at what ever level or all levels being used, federal, state and local. 

Companies that are associated with any of the socialistic systems also receive general and direct collective value from the noosoft that determine its credit expenditure limit on profit. If an individual works for a company their personal credit limit is the same  ratio wise as the company gets on general collective and direct value ( From both other companies and individuals) and this is happening at federal , state and local credit systems.

Local socialistic governments have to have a system to insure health for individuals at a survival level. Meaning food, clothing and shelter, and noosoft access. And the local socialistic governments can associate as they please, using the transparent noosoft , to solve this with any holons, horizontal with other local groups, or vertically at state level or private groups. And all socialistic government process go through the noosphere so it transparent has appropriate weights to leaders and individuals( which include the survival level people). 

Basically with money being pluralistic and government being internet and software based we move from a representational democracy in a public perspective, but a oligarchy corpratocracy in reality, to a adaptable system depending on what an individual chooses.

If someone is a traditionalist with money and assets they can choose to not associate with the socialistic system or noosphere. They can move to where there is no local socialistic government and just have to obey the general judicial system at the federal and state level.

If someone works for a company that pays in socialistic credit he can work with a private bank to convert this credit to whatever monetary unit he want, yen, pounds, gold, private bank credit etc and live just in the libertarian system( really just a code of law)

Taxes. There aren't any except for service charges. Because of the noosoft being transparent and dynamic in dealing with tensions as they comes up, so there could be taxes but you would have had your input in the noosphere on it. And the states do not have to be all the same. Some can be a pure libertarian if they want and deactivate any of the socialistic systems and the noosoft. 

This would allow value groups to form. It would allow a tradition(libertarian) person to be happy, and modern(Libertarian, and socialistic) person to be happy and a postmodern(noosoft) person. 

Now I know there are many situations that are not fleshed out here. And many possible misunderstandings on what I am saying. If you can see the difference between a republic and a democracy, and the difference between a single tender monetary system and a pluralistic one, and the difference between representative democracy and a direct holocracy with a foundation in a panarchy(libertarian system) you should be able to get this vision.

I have used labels like libertarian, noosoft , socialistic, etc very very loosely and not with there conventional meaning. There just labels to get the dialog going. We can change the names if we want. 

How would something like this come about? Well if current events keep unfolding the way they are, we will be looking at the necessity to acting locally for needs and I bet the internet will be used to facilitate this movement. The occupy movement will move into the just plain civil objector movement and many will just ignore federal and state laws and start a local bartering system that if goes right would turn into a time credit system that would use the internet and then governance with the internet. And these local communities would see this as being valuable, Alternative energy and get off the grid. And unlimited amounts of electricity can be used to start the industrial revolution 2. And the internet would be demanded to be used for any form government( Transparency). No internet use for governance than no compliance. Thats how I see it. I do not see a future with out a new powerful energy sources. The OIL, GOLD, DOLLAR triangle is too tight to be changed without breaking it. With a new energy source we just create beyond the current systems and make them obsolete. But thats a big collapse of what we have now. And its not necessary for collapse, but the powers that be, don't care if we suffer in this transition. But surely we can walk out into town when the time comes and see what a group of people with a survival need can do. I do not want to see this, just can not see how it won't happen. And I don't know when this time. I was yelling for years 2005-2008 on integral naked about the economic issue and was laughed at. I was posting on the false claims of global warming in 2008 -2009 and what I predicted is what has happened. The earth is cooling. But I am really at a loss for what happens next. Which is not normal for me. I feel like the occupy movement is the dead catapillar before the cells transmute into a butterfly. I just hope we don't get stepped on( WW3, economic default,Anarchy) before we start the process of turning into a butterfly. Timing is everything. And I feel we have a window now( before we get chipped) to change beautifully. 

I am open to any comments, need to make this readable and understandable. Which I do not think it is at this time. Help

TOHAMKUMRAH